“As a writer you know the mildest note from an editor is a command in any other world”

LUCY VAN SMIT won the inaugural Bath Children’s Novel Award with The Hurting, a thrilling nordic noir for young adults. After accepting an offer of representation from Sallyanne Sweeney, literary agent at MMB Creative she signed a two book deal with Chicken House Publishing. With The Hurting set for publication in July 2018, Lucy tells us about working editorially with Chicken House.


How would you describe working with Chicken House’s editor, Rachel Leyshon and MD Barry Cunningham.

“Playful! Our first editorial meeting was face-to-face, three hours long.  Rachel gently probed me to find out how much more I’d got in the tank. They were looking for to see if I could take my book up a whole new level. I was totally up for it. I went with Chicken House precisely because of Barry and Rachel’s vast editorial experience. They wanted my book to be its best and I was very happy to do any amount of work to make that happen. That established, it became a very informal editing process. We chatted about my characters like they were real. I though that only happened in films!  I admitted my Lukas was a nod to Lucas by Kevin Brooks, which I adore, and Barry immediately made a note to send Brooks a copy of The Hurting when we’d finished. Barry had published Lucas, but I didn’t know it was one of his favourites too. It’s surreal when far off worlds, where your literary heroes live, collide with your everyday working life.”


“But in any case – why don’t you dive in to the revising now! Just keep thinking of the logic of all these motivations…”


“Rachel held me off from re-writing too soon. Barry honed in on sections where Lukas sounded too street and wanted to see all his cut POV scenes. I knew I hadn’t got Lukas’s voice right, and Chicken House sniffed it out. There’s nowhere to hide with them. My bad boy quickly became the key area we worked on. Voice. Motivation. Tone. His speech rhythm. Rachel messaged questions back and forth and said, ‘Oh, he’s like a young Nureyev.’  Then she suggested another ridiculously simple solution that fixed the problem for a wolf boy in love. She’s brilliantly inventive.

Barry focused on places where I’d lost the reader’s empathy with Ellie. One solution was to put back the opening chapter, which created dramatic irony and dread for Ellie, so the reader was concerned if she would survive.”


“We think this is a brilliant revise, Lucy. So many congratulations – the second half in particular, is absolutely fantastic; I was absolutely invested in Ellie and her struggle for redemption in the wild. The relationship now between Ellie and the baby is so good – the heart of the novel.”


How would you describe the working relationship?

“Excellent. Their suggestions are aired gently, but as a writer you know the mildest note from an editor is a command in any other world. Rachel and Barry always respond fast, often the same day, and the tone of emails is very upbeat.”

Do your notes come by email or hard copy?

“Most of the early notes were via email and electronically marked up manuscript. The hard copy is due any day! Then it will be a very fast turnaround. While I waited for the hard edits, I got on Talent Campus at the London Screenwriter’s Festival’s. I wanted a crack at writing the script to The Hurting myself, but suddenly I had an actor table read with a director and had to pitch my book to film executives. It was crazy. I wasn’t ready, but the response was very positive. I’ve had emails from producers chasing me up for the script and the director wants to work with me. Before I could follow it up, I dived into filming Live Until You Die about Shelagh, a hospice patient on a road trip. Out of that came a meeting with a Brit School student, Eloise Lamb, who has an uncanny similarity to my protagonist Ellie Lambe. They’re both singer-songwriters. Eloise (aka Eloise Lamb Laurence) starred with Tim Roth in Broken and she wrote Shelagh a song that became the focus of the Short. The Ritzy have offered to screen it!”


“Just to agree with the need for some further thought here – but to say I read the second half in one mad totally enjoyable and absorbing rush – I felt completely THERE in the incredible action and the switchblade of emotions. Stuff to still improve – but so fundamentally good!” 


How many revisions have you made so far?

“One. But I spent time experimenting with Lukas’s voice. And Rachel had these musings about Norwegian place names and it tweaked the tone of the book. The abducted baby’s nickname became Ulf Pup, Norwegian for wolf cub.

Have you had to agree to disagree at all – about what’s missing or shouldn’t be there?

“My first instinct, after I’ve kicked the cat and sulked, is to try out their suggestions. And out of that comes something better. The hardest change for me was to put the antagonist on the page. I wanted a Daphne Du Maurier type Rebecca, where the monster’s already dead, inflicting damage from beyond the grave. Rachel felt that was too abstract!”

Any advice on knowing when to fight for your book or bow to market expertise?

“It’s a tricky one. Especially for a debut novelist uncertain of their judgment. The best advice is from my tutor Julia Green; don’t rush into getting published in the first place. Take your time. Get to know your characters. Know your own writing, because when others have strong opinions, it tough to navigate your own path. Chose your editor carefully!! YA is a tough market. Barry says he ‘only buys books he thinks he can sell the socks off,’ so fingers crossed.”

What are the most important things Rachel and/or Barry have taught you about The Hurting’s message?

“There’s a saying an editor helps you write the book that you think you’ve already written. It’s so true. Clarity. Character. Story. Rachel said they didn’t want to touch the writing but they wanted the story simpler so the layers didn’t fight with each other. Barry wanted to change the original title and we brainstormed ideas. The Hurting was one of Rachel’s early suggestions, and I gradually came round to accepting it as my own! Changing a title feels huge, and nuances the story meaning, but remains true to my agent Sallyanne Sweeney’s original pitch: A contemporary Wuthering Heights, THE HURTING is a young adult psychological thriller about twisted love, obsession and sacrifice, set against the stunning backdrop of remote Norwegian fjords and an abandoned wolf reservation.”

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